So Long, Turkey: 3 Ways To Spice Up Thanksgiving Without The Bird

Nov 23, 2015
Originally published on November 23, 2015 7:29 pm

If you are turkey-averse, turkeyphobic or just bored with the bird, fear not. We've got some other main dish ideas for you.

"What I think is cool is to put a center roast on the table that comes from the woods itself: something wild, something home-hunted, like venison," Amy Thielen, Minnesotan and author of The New Midwestern Table, tells All Things Considered's Ari Shapiro. Deer, says Thielen, is "one of those secret underground proteins in the American meat-eating story."

Thielen rubs venison loin with spices, and then slow-cooks it. She serves it with a "simple pan sauce" made with sherry and butter. She also suggests adding cranberry juice since "traditionally, venison likes a sweet-and-sour condiment to go with it." You can take that up a notch by making mostarda, an Italian hot mustard condiment, to go with the venison.

Thielen suggests topping the meal off with squash whipped with cream cheese or mascarpone cheese and walnuts.

Anthony Lamas gives Thielen's idea for a turkey alternative a thumbs up. "That sounds wonderful." Lamas is chef and owner of Seviche, a Latin restaurant in Louisville, Ky.

As for what he would serve in place of turkey? "I gotta stick with my Latin culture so we love a pork roast," says Lamas, whose first book, Southern Heat: New Southern Cooking Latin-Style, came out in November.

He starts with a pork butt or shoulder and marinates it with smoky chipotle chiles and citrus. He slow-cooks it in the oven for about five hours. "I'm telling you, the smell is intoxicating," says Lamas.

As for how to best enjoy this pork as leftovers, Lamas recommends warming up a corn tortilla, adding the pork and salsa verde, and "boom, you have yourself some pork tacos the next day." You can also put a little barbecue sauce on it.

And vegetarians, we haven't forgotten you. This suggestion for a meat-free Thanksgiving main dish comes from Preeti Mistry, chef and owner of Juhu Beach Club in Oakland, Calif.

"I'm of Indian origin and biryani is always something we would do for special occasions," says Mistry. "Biryani is special on its own, but instead of just serving it in a normal casserole dish, we're going to stuff it inside a pumpkin."

First she cooks the rice, adding spices like turmeric and saffron. Then she sautes vegetables. The next step is making the curry with coconut milk "to give it a little bit more luxury," says Mistry. Then it all gets layered inside the pumpkin and baked.

"The awesome thing that happens ... is the sort of metamorphosis that takes place in the oven. You get this delicious curry and rice and, you know, I like to make it really festive and add nuts and dried fruit on top. ... But once you dig into the flesh of the pumpkin it's soaked up all of these juices," says Mistry.

And, like a turkey that you've labored over all day, this is an exciting dish to present, says Mistry. "It's that wonderful moment when it comes to the table — it feels like this special thing you're going to carve or dig into."

Recipe: Amy Thielen's Roasted Venison With Shaken Cranberry Mostarda And Mascarpone Squash

Shaken Cranberry Mostarda

1 cup sugar

1 lemon, washed and dried

12 ounces rinsed fresh cranberries

1 tablespoon brandy

1 cup prunes, diced

3/4 teaspoon salt

3 tablespoons freshly finely ground mustard seeds

2 tablespoons whole mustard seeds

1 tablespoon red wine vinegar

1 tablespoon extra-virgin olive oil

Mascarpone Squash

3 cups cooked winter squash, such as buttercup

salt and pepper

4 tablespoons butter, divided

5 ounces mascarpone cheese or cream cheese

1/2 cup broken walnuts


2 1/2 pounds venison loin

2 teaspoons minced rosemary, plus 2 sprigs

1/2 teaspoon black pepper

1/2 teaspoon salt

2 tablespoons butter, plus 1 tablespoon to thicken the sauce

2 smashed cloves of garlic

1/4 cup sherry

2/3 cup chicken stock

1 tablespoon maple syrup

3 tablespoons cranberry juice

Make the mostarda at least 24 hours and up to one week ahead: Pour the sugar into a food processor and shave 5 wide strips of lemon zest (just the yellow peel, not the pith) over the top. Process until the lemon zest is reduced to bits, and pour the sugar into a bowl.

Add the cranberries to the processor and pulse until the cranberries are broken up but not pulverized; leave it coarse. In a one-quart glass jar, combine the cranberries, lemon sugar, brandy and prunes. Peel the pith and remaining skin from the lemon and dip your paring knife between the segments to free the lemon flesh. Chop the lemon flesh roughly and add to the jar. Shake the jar, turning it upside down to incorporate the sugar. In another hour, shake and turn the jar upside down again, repeating every few hours until no sugar remains and the cranberries glow bright fuchsia.

After 8 hours, add the ground mustard seed, the whole mustard seeds, vinegar, and olive oil. If using that day, leave to macerate at room temperature. Stir to combine, and serve at room temperature, alongside the venison. (Refrigerate any leftovers for up to two weeks.)

For the mascarpone squash, bake the squash cut-side down on a baking sheet until tender. Scoop out three cups and place in the bowl of a food processor. Add half of the butter and the mascarpone, and salt and pepper to taste, and process until smooth and combined. Scrape the squash puree into a heavy heatproof bowl. For the walnut garnish, heat a small skillet over medium heat and add the remaining two tablespoons butter and the walnuts. Season lightly with salt and pepper and cook, over medium-low heat, until the walnuts are lightly golden and the butter is browned. Pour the walnut butter over the squash and keep warm.

For the venison, preheat the oven to 350 degrees Fahrenheit. Heat a large cast-iron skillet over medium-high heat. Combine the minced rosemary, salt, and pepper in a small bowl and rub evenly over the venison. Add the butter, and then the venison, to the cast iron pan, and cook gently — lowering the heat to medium if necessary — until lightly browned on all sides. Pop the pan into the oven and cook until the venison feels medium-rare to the touch and measures 125 degrees Fahrenheit on an internal-read thermometer. Remove the venison to a platter to rest while you make the pan sauce: Add the crushed garlic cloves and 2 rosemary sprigs to the pan, and quickly cook until lightly browned on both sides. Deglaze the pan with the sherry, and when it boils, add the chicken stock, maple syrup and cranberry juice. Boil gently until the liquid thickens to big bubbles and the sauce clings to the back of a spoon. Add the cold butter and whisk until it emulsifies and melts. Pour the sauce through a fine mesh sieve onto a warm platter.

To serve, slice the venison and place onto the sauce on the platter. Serve with the mascarpone squash and some of the cranberry mostarda.

Recipe: Anthony Lamas' Thanksgiving Pork Loin

Juice of 2 oranges, rinds reserved

Juice of 2 lemons

Juice of 2 limes, rinds reserved

1 bunch cilantro, chopped

2 ounces (about 16 cloves) cloves garlic, roughly chopped

2 onions chopped

2 carrots chopped

3 celery ribs chopped

1⁄4 cup kosher salt

One 4- to 5-pound bone-in pork butt or pork shoulder

2 tablespoons Chipotle in Adobo Purée

In a small bowl, combine the juices, cilantro, chipotle and salt. Rub the mixture all over the pork, then place in a nonreactive dish. Add the orange and lime rinds, cover, and refrigerate overnight.

When ready to cook the pork, position a rack in the center of a convection oven and heat the oven to 275 degrees Fahrenheit. Fill the pan about halfway with water, add onions, carrot and celery. Cover with foil, cook for 4 hours, until the meat is tender and falls off the bone. Then take the foil off and turn the oven up to about 425 degrees Fahrenheit and let the fat and skin get crispy. Remove, keep warm and carve.

Recipe: Preeti Mistry's Coconut Biriyani Stuffed Pumpkin

A large sugar pie pumpkin is the best choice for this recipe. Alternatively, if you are cooking for a smaller crowd you could use a kabocha squash or for a different "boatlike" look a delicate or butternut squash.

Cut the top off the pumpkin just like you would if you were making a jack-o-lantern. Scoop out seeds and discard. (Seeds could also be cleaned and roasted as a snack or crispy topping on dish.) Season the interior with salt and set aside. If you want to decrease the overall cooking time, you can par-roast the pumpkin in a 350-degree Fahrenheit oven for 10-15 minutes while working on the rest of the recipe.

Spice Mix

1/2 cup whole coriander seeds

1/4 cup whole cumin seeds

1/4 cup brown mustard seeds

1 tablespoon whole green cardamom pods

Toast whole spices in dry saute pan until fragrant, about 3 minutes on high heat. Transfer to cool dry bowl and let cool. Grind in spice grinder or cleaned-out coffee grinder.

Vegetable Coconut Curry

1/4 cup neutral oil like rice bran oil

2 yellow onions, jullienned

1/2 cup fresh curry leaves

1/2 tablespoon whole fenugreek seeds

2 tablespoons garlic, minced

2 tablespoons ginger, minced

2 tablespoons serrano chili, minced

1 teaspoon turmeric powder

2 bunches rainbow chard, cut into 1-inch-thick strips

3 cups cremini mushrooms, cleaned and quartered

1 cup tamarind pulp

1 cup water

4 cans coconut milk

Heat oil in large sauce pan until hot. Add onions, curry leaves and fenugreek seeds to oil and stir frequently to soften onions. When onions are soft and translucent add garlic, ginger and green chilies. Season with a few pinches salt and continue stirring.

Aromatics will start to brown and slightly stick to the bottom of the pan. Add turmeric and spice blend to pan; some of the spices will stick to the bottom of the pan. Add chard and mushrooms and season with salt, and vegetables will begin to release their moisture. When chard begins to wilt add tamarind, water and coconut milk. Using a wooden spoon scrape any spices and aromatics that have stuck to the bottom of the pan. Bring liquid to a boil, reduce heat and simmer until mushrooms are fully cooked through, about 10 minutes.

Basmati Rice

4 cups basmati rice

8 cups water

1 tablespoon rice bran oil

2 tablespoons salt

1 teaspoon whole cloves

1 teaspoon whole green cardamom

Mix rice with water and all other ingredients. Bring to a boil on high heat. When water reaches the level of the rice, reduce heat to very low and cover for 15 minutes. Remove lid and fluff rice.

Stuffing Pumpkin Assembly

Layer vegetables in coconut curry sauce and rice, starting with vegetables on the bottom. Depending on the depth of your pumpkin you can assemble anywhere from 1-4 layers of vegetables and rice.

Roast in 350-degree Fahrenheit oven for 20-30 minutes. Check doneness of pumpkin by piercing the side with a small knife. Let rest out of oven for 10-15 minutes. Slide pumpkin onto serving tray for presentation.

I like to garnish the top with dried fruits such as cranberries or apricots and roasted nuts such as pistachios, slivered almonds or cashews.

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It is now T-minus three days before that turkey hits the table. Wait a second. Does it have to be turkey?


Uh-uh, no it doesn't. And if you are turkey-averse, turkeyphobic, perhaps just bored with the bird, we've got some other main dish ideas for you.

AMY THIELEN: What I think his cool is to put a center roast on the table that comes from the woods itself - something wild, something home-hunted like venison.

SHAPIRO: That's Minnesota's own Amy Thielen, author of "The New Midwestern Table." Hey, Amy.


SHAPIRO: Something from the woods itself like venison - you're talking about a deer.

THIELEN: A home-hunted deer. I feel like it's one of those secret underground proteins in the American meat-eating story. I like to use venison loin, which is also called the back strap - you know, a more macho name for it.


THIELEN: And I like to rub it with some spices - some spice salt like a rosemary salt and then just kind of slowly cook it in a big cast-iron pan in butter, rolling it around until it just becomes nice and ruby red inside. You want a medium-rare temperature on it just like a beef tenderloin.

SHAPIRO: OK. So you've rubbed this with herb salt. You've cooked it in butter. It's medium-rare. How are you going to serve it?

THIELEN: I like to serve it with, you know, just a little simple pan sauce, which - you deglaze the pan with a little bit of Sherry, and then you thicken that with butter. And you might want to add a little bit of cranberry juice because, you know, traditionally, venison likes that sweet-and-sour kind of condiment to go with it. And then I like to make a mostarda.

SHAPIRO: Mostarda - explain what that is.

THIELEN: A mostarda is an Italian kind of a hot mustard condiment, like - kind of like a chutney. It's sweet and sour, and it has a nice punch of hot mustard.

SHAPIRO: But it's made from fruit.

THIELEN: So it's made from fruit. And I make mine with cranberries. And sometimes, I do it with wild cranberries, wild highbush cranberries. But if you don't have that, just the regular cranberries that are in the store are great.

SHAPIRO: This is like a fully forged Thanksgiving. You have hunted the deer. You have picked the cranberries.

THIELEN: (Laughter).

SHAPIRO: Probably grown the beets for the sugar, right?

THIELEN: No. I don't go that far.

SHAPIRO: Are you going to serve the traditional Thanksgiving sides along with this?

THIELEN: Oh, yeah, a full monty on that. But you know, I think that if you just wanted to keep it simple, you could cook a squash, and then you could whip it in a food processor with a little bit of cream cheese or mascarpone cheese, walnuts. I mean, go crazy from there on your own, but I think squash would definitely work with this.

ANTHONY LAMAS: Venison in cranberries - that's a no-brainer. That sounds wonderful.

SHAPIRO: And that is Anthony Lamas, chef and owner of the restaurant Seviche in Louisville, Ky. Here's his option for a no-turkey Thanksgiving.

LAMAS: Well, I got to stick with my Latin culture. So, you know, we love a pork roast. And so for me, I love taking a pork and, like, marinating the day before, you know, adding some citrus in there and may be a little bit of smoky chipotle chilies in there, just get that all nice and marinated with some orange and lemons and limes and some - maybe a little fresh cilantro in there. And let that marinate and soak all that flavor up, and then roast it. I like it with the bone on so you can get like a bone-in pork butt or a, you know, pork shoulder.

SHAPIRO: The shoulder is the butt, right? The pork butt is what they call the shoulder of the pig.

LAMAS: Exactly. We'll roast it low, cover it, add a little bit of water in there and some onions and garlic and mirepoix, you know, carrots, celery.

SHAPIRO: Now, you're throwing French terms into your Latin recipes.

LAMAS: I know (laughter).

SHAPIRO: A real mash-up.

LAMAS: We add some of that in there, you know, and that's going to add some flavor and moisture. And I'll cover that, and I'll put that in the oven for about five hours at about 275, 300.

SHAPIRO: Five hours seems like a long time. It's not going to dry out?

LAMAS: No, it won't. It won't. It's so much fat on there, and you got that bone. After about four hours or so, I will take the foil off and turn the oven up to about 425 and let all that fat and little bit of skin on there just get all crispy. I'll take that out, put that on just like you would do a turkey on a platter. And then what I'll do is just kind of carve it, you know? It starts to fall apart, really - just chunks. And I'm telling you; this smell is intoxicating.

SHAPIRO: Well, everybody knows one of the best things about Thanksgiving is the leftovers. What would you do with the leftovers of this pork butt?

LAMAS: So I'm going to get me a nice corn tortilla. I'm going to warm it right there on the open flame of a gas stove or just, you know, in a warm pan, add that pork in there, maybe a little salsa verde and - boom. You got yourself some pork tacos the next day. Actually, you can just pull it like that and throw a little barbecue sauce. Pull out one of your favorite barbecue sauces. Throw in some white bread - barbecue pork sandwich.

SHAPIRO: Anthony Lamas, I'm coming to your house next Thanksgiving.

LAMAS: You're - well, you're - mi casa es su casa.

SHAPIRO: (Laughter) All right. We've talked about two meat dishes. And so before anyone hits send on that email that's saying, where are the vegetarian options? Well, relax. We've got one for you right now. It comes from Preeti Mistry. She is the chef owner of Juhu Beach Club. It's a restaurant in Oakland, Calif. Hey, Preeti.

PREETI MISTRY: Hi. How are you?

SHAPIRO: I'm good. Please don't give us Tofurky. What have you got?

MISTRY: (Laughter) Most definitely not Tofurky. We're going to stuff a pumpkin. So you know, I'm of Indian origin, and growing up, biryani was always a fun thing we would do for special occasions. Biryani is this layered rice dish. It's, you know, special on its own in the sense that it does take a certain amount of time to make. But instead of just serving it in a normal casserole dish, we're going to stuff it inside a pumpkin.

SHAPIRO: That sounds beautiful and also very ambitious.

MISTRY: (Laughter).

SHAPIRO: Talk about some of the steps that go into doing this project.

MISTRY: We're going to cook everything separately. So remember; I said it involves a few steps.


MISTRY: So we're going to cook the rice. I like to add a little saffron or even a little turmeric for color, throw a few cloves, maybe some green cardamom in there as well. And then you're going to saute all of your vegetables - mushrooms, chard. And then I thought a great base for this to give it a little more luxury would be coconut milk. So we're going to make a curry that involves onions, ginger, garlic, tamarind, tamarind pulp, and then we're going to layer it. So if you're making a pumpkin of a medium size, I would suggest putting your vegetables down and then layering the rice on top and baking the whole thing.

SHAPIRO: As you're scooping this out of a pumpkin, are you also kind of digging into the side of this cooked pumpkin to get some of the squash in the pile with the rice and the chard and the mushrooms and the curry sauce?

MISTRY: Yes. So that's the awesome thing that kind of happens, is that, you know, the sort of metamorphosis that takes place in the oven. You get this delicious curry and rice, and you know, I like to, you know, make it really festive and add some nuts and dried fruit on top and stuff like that. But then, once you dig into the flesh of the pumpkin, it's soaked up all of the juices, so you get this really sweet flesh of the pumpkin mixed with the spiciness and tanginess of the coconut milk tamarind curry sauce.

SHAPIRO: You know, it's really hard to come up with a vegetarian dish that has the same kind of heft as a centerpiece that a turkey has. I think you've done it. I think this qualifies.

MISTRY: Yeah. I mean I think that, you know, one of the most exciting parts to me about the turkey at Thanksgiving is the presentation. It's, you know, this thing that we've labored on all day, and we've just spoken about all of the labor that's going to go into this stuffed pumpkin. And then from there, it's that wonderful moment when it comes to the table. It feels like this special thing that then you're going to carve or dig into it. And so I think that by doing the biryani stuffed inside the pumpkin, it hits all of those spots.

SHAPIRO: Well, thanks for the idea.

MISTRY: No worries.

SHAPIRO: That's Preeti Mistry, the chef behind Juhu Beach Club in Oakland, Calif. You can get her biryani recipe and the other two suggestions for a turkey-free Thanksgiving at our website, Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.