Gay Marriage Gets its Day at the Statehouse

By Laura Knoy on Tuesday, March 31, 2009.

On Thursday the New Hampshire House voted in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage by a slim margin. Those in favor say it’s all about equality. Opponents counter that changing the meaning of marriage would have a destructive effect on society. Now it heads off to the Senate. We’ll look at what happened, what may happen next, and what this news may say about our attitudes toward gay marriage in the Granite State.

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Gay marriage

I'm looking forward to the discussion on gay marriage on Wednesday. I do not understand the agenda to push these bills forward, especially in these tough economic times.
As a mother of 3, I'm also concerned about the gay agenda in the schools if NH passes gay marriage. In the UK, parents face prosecution if they keep their kids home on the day where the gay agenda is taught. Not all children are ready for any talk on sex at the same age or at an early age. These things take away the rights of parents. http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/c3d9506a7908908ef257979689b...

This is now the face of the Democratic party. Anti-family and pro-gay agenda.

Gay marriage

I'm also looking forward to the discussion. There are a lot of people with an irrational fear of this so-called "gay agenda". Hopefully, a reasonable discussion will help allay their fears.

And gay couples are very pro-family. They're so pro-family that they would like to have their families afforded the same benefits and responsibilities as those headed by opposite-sex couples.

Gay Agenda?

What exactly is the gay agenda? As a gay man, I haven't received that memo yet! Listen, the "Gay Agenda" is to be treated as citizens of the United States of America and the rights to marry the person I love.

That's the only agenda!

Gay Marriage

As a grandmother of 3 with 2 grown children, a Gay woman and a member of the Democratic party I have to say that there is No Agenda! I love my family, my partner of 15 years (recently married under the Granite State Civil Union) and bottom-line is that all any American asks for is Equal Rights under the Law. My grandchildren have grown up with my partner in their lives since birth just like many school children. If schools discuss famililes then ALL types of families need to be included, single parent homes, grandparents raising their grandchildren, gay parents, mixed race homes even now with so many children homeless living in Shelters the schools need to be all inclusive.
I have one question for the discussion as well, how will the new law effect those of us that Did get married under the Civil Union law?

Gay Marriage

The problem parents see is, the agenda taken into the schools. In Mass. now you have gay education starting in Kindergarten. Parents now have NO right to be informed or required to consent. Not all 6 year olds are ready to hear about homosexuality. It's an infringement upon our parental rights.
That's what the gay agenda is all about. Pushing it on our children without our consent. Now you have parents in the UK who might be prosecuted for keeping their kids home? This has gone too far.
Many of us do not wish to have govt. interfer in your personal lives. However when you wish to push your beliefs on the rest of us, I draw the line.
No thank you !

Relax! This is what public education is for.

One of the very basic reasons for public education is to expose children to our world in a way they do not or cannot get at home. Yours is one opinion of how diversely human beings may choose to live; your children have a right to learn about what you apparently won't tell them even exists. Children are very resilient, and they'll gossip amongst themselves soon enough anyway. This applies to science, social ways, religions of the world, and politics, all in ways appropriate to their ages and interests. The schools are doing you a favor.

Gay Marriage Bill

This is about money and nothing else. It just makes bigger government.
We need to be repealing laws not making more of them giving government more control.

No one is 'afraid' of gays. Public education should not be replacing the values of the parents. This is why it's so important to keep home schooling rights. Public schools are corrupted with this political NONSENSE.

Lynch will veto this I'm sure.

Marty...

If you are a teacher you should resign. It is NOT the job of the schools to desensitize our kids to gay marriage or any other issue that might be sensitive.

Why can't you just stick to teaching skills? It's no wonder the schools are failing -- to much socialism being taught instead!

I say this is the perfect example of a reason why public schools should be DEFUNDED totally.

Give the parents the money back and let them do what they want.

Show me WHERE it is stated

Show me WHERE it is stated that this is what public education is for. That is not what it's for!! Public Education is to teach kids the three R's-, which, apparently, it can't even do that right!! Homosexuality is NOT an appropriate topic for discussion in the public school system. As a parent, I have an INALIENABLE right to raise my children according to my beliefs. I have NO authority to push those beliefs on ANYONE ELSE-and NO ONE has the authority to push their beliefs on my household. That's why public education should stick to the 3 R's, and keep their nose out of Moral issues. (with that said, abuse is a totally different matter) when my child becomes an age that they can handle these other topics, I will teach them about it then. If they choose to inquire further, when they are adults, they are free to do so. Again, the GOVERNMENT has no RIGHT to intervene on these issues!!

Pushing beliefs

I find it odd that you complain about people pushing their beliefs on you, but you are perfectly willing to push yours on us. Why should your beliefs about marriage trump mine?

It's not 'gay rights', it's Human Rights

New Hampshire should reclaim its tradition of strongly fostering personal Liberty and not allowing religious opinion, which is just one opinion competing with other valid, secular, ethical opinions, to dominate a deliberation about human rights.

Opponents say allowing gay marriage will "cheapen" marriage. Aside from thinking they're insulting people who are gay, what do such people mean? Do gays "cheapen" shopping in stores when they show up, or "cheapen" voting, or "cheapen" serving in the military by their participation? Would you advocate segregating away gay people in general, or depriving them of the vote? In the 21st Century? In New Hampshire??

We already have years' experience of our neighbors Massachusetts and Connecticut allowing same-sex civil marriage, and how has that "cheapened" anyone else's marriage there? How has it interfered with any church's religious ceremony being done in that church's way?

Whether or not your church's opinion allows marriage within it, you still have to go down to Town Hall and get a civil marriage license, so it's a civil right, and that's what two gay adults have a right to. The same legal rights for inheritance, responsibility for each other's hospital care, tax, and insurance benefits, and as unquestionably accepted a status as a social unit as anyone else called "married".

Personally, I'm amongst the "fastest growing religious group" in New Hampshire, a non-believer. I don't happen to be gay, but neither am I black or a woman, yet I acknowledge and support any other human being's right to not be stigmatized for being themselves. As the great social critic Paul Goodman wrote, "what is really obscene is the way our society makes us feel shameful and like criminals for doing human things that we really need."

Gay Marriage

IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID

That should be the campaign slogan for Republicans. Clearly the Democrats have lost their way !!

gay marriage

This is a very interesting link on the topic of gay marriage in comparison to interracial marriage: http://www.buddybuddy.com/quiz-1.html

Gay Marriage Bill

Call me old fashioned, but I still believe the best place for children to grow up is with their mom and dad in a strong committed relationship. Any one of us can know this by remembering back to what the heart of our own childhood longed for. Of course, I also believe that humans are flawed and imperfect. I’m a great example. We make mistakes and change our minds. People die, get divorced, and have relationships outside of marriage. It happens. However, if we want to have a strong society moving in the right direction, it needs to grow by way of strong families. That means keeping the bar set high. I think shooting for the ideal is best for our kids. Not changing our definitions and indoctrinating our kindergarteners with it.

I think the ideal is best

I think the ideal is best for our kids - but why can't the ideal be two committed loving adults, regardless of race, creed, religion and sexual preference...because it doesn't match your 1950's dad at work/mom in the kitchen views? I'm not sure why a child cannot learn that loving, responsible adults should have the right to marry.
This is absolutely a civil rights issue.

Gay Marriage: and Parental Responsibility

Your guest just said that children need Moms and Dads and NH needs to start paying attention to that need.

This is confusing the issues of the state's responsibilities. If you want to bring gay marriage into the arena of family values, shouyldn't we also consider the real reasons that degrade a family like alcoholism and other conduct of parents?

NH has a monopoly on Alcohol Sales and depends on it as a large revenue stream. How do legislators put this point against issues like gay marriage in regards to how they affect children?

Gay marriage is a right that is long overdue, and it does more than support children in a family. It supports the partnership and their rights to make dessions for each other when one is incopacitated for instance.

Equal protection and gay marriage

My partner of 19 years and I were among the 37 couples who entered into legal Civil Unions at the state capitol in Concord in the opening minutes of January 1, 2008. It was, and remains, a joyous affirmation of our right to be in love “like everyone else”. We are grateful for the limited legal rights that it confers, but constantly reminded of the fundamental protections that are still denied to us. For example, although the majority of Fortune 500 companies offer domestic partner benefits, the federal government is prevented from doing so by the federal “Defense of Marriage Act”. This means that although I have worked as a federal employee for 31 years, my partner is not eligible to receive the health insurance or pension benefits that married heterosexual couples take for granted.

Civil Union OK, but don't dilute marriage

I'm firmly on the left side of the political spectrum, but here is how I view this. The term "marriage" has developed over the millennia as Woman + Man and is a sacred institution in a religious context. If same sex couples desire to form a legal partnership that will provide privileges like hospital visitation and shared health care benefits, I have absolutely no problem with that, but don't call it a marriage.

You have every right to your opinions

You have every right to your opinions and "sacred institutions", but that opinion does not trump the rights of other individuals who may not share your religion or opinion.

With divorce rates near 50%, I'd say if anyone is cheapening/diluting/(insert other undefined scare word) marriage, it's the heterosexuals.

we all need a new term to throw around

I really wish gay folks had done a lof of us a big favor by coming up with something better than marriage which really does require a "husband" and a "wife". While I agree that civil union sounds cold and legalistic, I'd like to see some other legal union that implies partnership, equality, and mutual support. I don't know what it would be called, but I would want it for myself. Though I've been married (happily) for 18 years, I still struggle with the term "wife" which only applies to be because I'm female. I'd much prefer partner which implies equal rather than subordinate to me. I think what is referred to as traditional marriage is very important for anyone wanting to raise children, but there are couples out there who don't want to raise kids but want to live in mutually supportive legal relationship to each other -- what is the term for that?

Gay Marriage

Well, as a member of the Concord GLBT community, I feel that it would be great if, from a government standpoint, everyone - straight, gay, lesbian, transgendered, and bisexual - was able to commit to each other via "civil union". Marriage could be defined by the church that the couple was affiliated with, if applicable. That seems completely unfeasible in today's society - so that's why we want to get married. To be equal. So to reiterate my comment - civil unions for everyone! Or, as I support, Marriage for Everyone!

we still need a new name for it

I still think we need something that isn't called marriage and isn't called a civil union. Something that has all the legal/social rights of marriage but not the stereotypes/baggage that go with that term nor the "not as good as" status of civil unions. If this new thing could get on the books, I think a lot of couples would go for it and then we could leave marriage to either a religious context or to a more traditional definition of the term. But let's allow couples who want to be partners rather than husbands/wives to do so.

Gay Marriage

Isn't it funny how we are told that it's up to the gay community to educate OUR children? This is why these things are rejected. It's because this isn't about gay rights, it's about indoctrination of OUR children. Many of us simply want to leave people alone and let them live in peace. But when you take this battle to my children, that's where I draw the line. This WILL come into the classrooms, just as it's being done in Mass. We do NOT want YOU to indoctrinate OUR children. I never planned on raising my children to hate gays, but it's up to ME to educate MY children on any social issues..NOT YOU. You've made an enemy out of someone who never wanted this battle. LEAVE MY CHILDREN ALONE!

Gay Marriage

I personally respect gay people, they are also ordinary people that can be hurt, knows how to love, etc. Young children may not be aware of them and maybe that's why they are teaching them at a young age in school. But I think, the best person who should educate young children all about gay is their parents.

Gay Marriage

When Gov. Lynch, President Clinton and President Obama reject gay marriage, will the homosexual community figure out who is selling them out? It's not the Republicans, it's your own Representatives. Look how many Democrats in the NH legislature opposed gay marriage. The Gov. is hinting he's opposed to gay marriage. Pres. Clinton and Obama both oppose gay marriage. Go ahead and blame the REpublicans all you want...but your own Reps are selling out out behind closed doors. Take names of those Reps and get them thrown out of office. Stop focusing on the Republicans and look to your own party for your problems!