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Some Dems Still Say No To Obama
By Josh Rogers on Tuesday, July 8, 2008.
As Democratic leaders work to unite the party faithful behind presumptive nominee Barack Obama, some local party loyalists who backed Hillary Clinton insist they won’t. If largesse is the measure, few local democrats are as staunch as Marcia Kimball. Over the past decade the well-heeled Center Harbor homemaker has donated upwards of $50,000 to party candidates and causes. Late last year Kimball also dropped $4600 – the maximum allowed by law – into Hillary Clinton’s presidential bid. It seems safe to take her at her word when she says she won’t be doing the same for Barack Obama. “I wouldn’t vote for Obama if he was the last person on earth.” Kimball campaigned for Hillary Clinton in 9 states and believes the NY senator basically had the democratic nomination stolen from her by a party leaders and a biased media. Kimball adds that she’d do anything for Hillary Clinton, save, apparently, what Clinton asked her supporters to do in her recent joint appearance with Obama in Unity. “I hope you’ll work for Senator Obama as many of you did for me.” “I’m going to do everything I can to hope that he doesn’t get to be President.” Kimball is part of an anti-Obama push among some Democrats that’s come to be known as the PUMA movement. While Puma people use the sometimes deadly cat as their logo, the PUMA name is an acronym that stands for Party Unity My Ass. On dozens of PUMA blogs you can find many who share Kimball’s conviction that Hillary Clinton could yet reemerge as the Democratic nominee. While that possibility is clearly farfetched, some seasoned local activists insist it’s still possible. Deb Crapo of Rye served as state’s Democratic Party Vice-Chair from 1997 to 2002. “I’m still holding out hope that my party can regain itself and that in August they will realize that Barack Obama cannot win this election.” --What do you think it would take for this to happen that way? “Either something pretty big, or the continuation or the continuation of small things building up; because I think every day Barack Obama is doing something that’s upsetting people.” Crapo went on to note Obama’s evolving positions on Iraq, the wiretapping program known as FISA, and his recent call to expand the Bush administration’s funding of so-called faith-based initiatives. But like most anti-Obama Democrats, her main line of attack is more fundamental, if sometimes hard to articulate. For many it boils down to a perceived lack of experience. Others stress feelings of cultural estrangement from Barack Obama, and also his from wife Michelle. Stan Post of Lancaster is former state Democratic Party Secretary. “I think they are kind of snobs, I do. I find them kind of elitist and I know that sounds wrong, but I have to like a candidate. You know I have to feel comfortable, and he doesn’t make me feel comfortable.” Like the other democrats in this story, Post insists his unwillingness to vote for Obama, won’t dissuade him from supporting other party candidates, or cause him to vote for John McCain. Though as an older, self-described lunch-pail Democrat, he’s precisely the sort of voter polls show may be ripe for poaching by the Republican nominee. The last time Democrats crossed party lines in big numbers to support a Republican for President who wasn't an incumbent was in 1980, when about a quarter of all Democrats voted for Ronald Reagan. That migration, which helped to fuel a Reagan rout, came after a primary fight between Jimmy Carter and Edward Kennedy that wasn’t settled until the party convention. UNH pollster Andy Smith says a tough primary doesn’t help party unity, but he says a tight general election can. “If it looks like NH is going to be very close, like it’s a toss-up between Obama and McCain, then you can be pretty sure that almost all of the Democrats will vote for Obama, and all the Republicans will vote for McCain.” The most recent state poll shows Obama with an 11 point lead. Other local surveys have shown a far tighter contest. But in a national poll released last week by CNN found that the number of Democrats inclined to reject Barack Obama in favor of John McCain is actually shrinking. Good news for Obama, perhaps, but the same poll found only slightly more than half of all Hillary Clinton supporters are now willing to vote Obama. More From NHPR
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adam - Tue, 07/08/2008 - 18:48
Puma folks can never point to a Hilary issue that McCain would be a better choice for. It's bewildering that their support of Hilary wasn't based on her stances on issues. If it were there would be no rational to vote for McCain.
They won't vote for their
Aleks - Wed, 07/09/2008 - 06:32
They won't vote for their party's nominee, even though he's nearly identical on the issues to their preferred candidate and she's wholeheartedly endorsed him. If race isn't the issue (Barack and Michelle Obama are elitist snobs, and Bill and Hillary are salt of the earth huh?), then they must just be the biggest babies in the world. McCain, endless war in Iraq, more Bushstyle tax cuts, and a conservative majority of 6 on the Supreme Court seem like a high price to pay for spite and petulance. I don't like Hillary, but I sure would have voted for her in November.
I'll tell you why i'm not voting for Obama
Anne995 - Wed, 07/09/2008 - 18:28
#1, he's an absolute hyprocrite. He lied to all those kids in IA about a color blind society, after spending 23 years in a church that rails against white people. Lied to all his young supporters about Fisa. He knew full well he's was going to vote yes, all these moves to the center happened way to fast to be merely a change of heart at the last second. Donnie McCLurkin, smearing the clintons as racist, pressuring clinton to drop out (very undemocratic). We knew he was a fraud back then. Nothing but rhetoric so that everyone who felt disenfranchised would project their hopes onto him, even though he has Zero history of being a stand up guy. Never has any convition and his willingness to interject his religion is uncomfortable at best. Now we see he wants more capital punishment, he's arrogrant as all hell, i find his speeches just corny. Oh man, i could go on for days, i do not trust him whatsoever, and i think it's bizarre how people drool over him just because of some corny speeches, is just ridiculous. And there is no way in hell i'm going to fall in line with a party that didn't stand up for women when Senators say she's like glenn close and shoulda stayed dead in the bathtub, etc. anyway, i'll stop here because usually obama fans think he can do no wrong, so it's usually a waste of time.
I really hope you take a
adam - Thu, 07/10/2008 - 10:21
I really hope you take a look at McCain's voting record when it comes to the Rights of Women and Protection of Children. Obama is human so of course he has flaws, but I'm not willing to throw away policies I believe in b/c I don't like his church or his religion. Universal Healthcare, Womens Rights (Supreme Court Justices), ending Iraq, protecting the Middle Class and greening our energy were the reasons to support Hilary Clinton. Any other reason would be the politics of celebrity or of identity, both of which are a fools game. Many Obama supporters were foolish like this and now we see that Clinton's were too.
PUMA and Just say no deal
LAMusing - Thu, 07/10/2008 - 16:34
I am a third generation "down ticket" Democrat. I will not be voting for Obama. Those that don't understand the position of democrats that have joined together to oppose Obama's candidacy should check out one of the over 200 blog sites that are members of justsaynodeal.com
Some Dems Still Say No To Obama
dr k - Wed, 07/09/2008 - 09:40
In Josh Rogers' report, it was clear that some comments by Clinton supports were racist. I was surprised that Josh didn't probe these supporters to explain some of their answers. I guess one has to be on the receiving end of some of these comments to really understand what they mean.
No News Here
leo - Sat, 07/12/2008 - 02:16
Yay, NHPR found the Last Living Democrat Voting for McCain -- that's 'LLDV4M for short! Of course, for every so-called Democrat voting for McCain, I can find a dozen former Republicans voting for Obama but of course, it's the 'Man Bites Dog' Story that gets aired here. Yo NHPR: in any election you're always going to find someone doing cookie stuff. The question is, how come you're spending all your time with the outliers?
The value of withholding support
Barry - Sat, 07/12/2008 - 02:56
means very little if one is helping disaster to accrue by allowing a candidate like John McCain to win. As a person who started out expecting Hillary Clinton to win and was more than happy to have that outcome, I see little value in not supporting a candidate who has views that are virtually identical to hers. She supports Obama. Now of course, some folks might have a problem with race. I find that prospect to be abhorrent, just as I do any bigotry about voting for a woman. But to actually try to claim there are any substantial differences between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on any issue is just plain absurd on it's face. They are 99% alike, and both are diametrically opposed to John McCain's views on critical issues. Many of the people who claim to be Clinton supporters but are vocal about not voting for Obama have been revealed to be something other than Democrats. One thing is for certain, in my mind: they certainly were never liberals or progressives.
There are vast differences
SophieL - Sat, 07/12/2008 - 15:10
There are vast differences between Hillary and Obama. Initially, it seemed like their views were identical, but once Obama started providing a few details about his "vision," anyone can see he's more like Bush. He wants to be the next Reagan, and that's his choice--I certainly don't want to take anyone's dreams away, but for God sakes, why doesn't he run as a Republican and stop messing with our party?
Obama
Deb Crapo - Thu, 09/11/2008 - 14:44
I will do what Senator Hillary Clinton so selflessly and in the name of what is best for this country asked us to do and join together with other Democrats to make sure we win back the Office of President of the United States so we can help this country to be great again. I will be supporting Barack Obama for his Presidential Bid. As a loyal supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton, and a hard working life-long Democrat, I waited for the Democratic Convention to be held, I listened to her plea for us to support the Democratic ticket and I will support our candidates in every way possible to help them win in November, 2008. Deb Crapo |
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